[Tyrfingr]

I wouldn't even know what to answer back at *sigh*... It seems like a whole bunch of various themes being tossed around at the moment. Non believer vs bible scripture, believer vs theory of evolution. And theory itself.. I even saw something about Thermodynamics actually proving the existence of god. To me this sounds like clinging on with teeth and nails to faith, because that's what you got to have plenty of when making a statment like that lol.

This is the fundamental that we know - Man wrote the bible, what part any god had in it's creation is also referenced in the same book, which were again, penned by man, people, humans. And lots of these people hardly bare any weight behind them. They were all supposedly desciples to jesus, who were according to people at the time, the son of god. Now... Believing these tales takes, faith. And to have faith, you have to be able to believe what you read or hear. The fat misstake that believers make, is that they assume in some way that other peoples minds work in the same manner as their own when it comes to these matters. Which is why many people will call you an idiot for having a different oppinion, some people just wont accept it.

You wont be able to convince someone to believe in anything whole heartedly. A person who are convinced by means of suggestion or carefully constructed arguments by others , are highly likely to believe out of ignorance. A person who are above average of intelligence and reasonbly educated in litterature and history, will most likely be able to form their own ideas and theories of life and the world we live in. While other people simply adopt affixed theories that makes sense to them, some people after all isn't interested at all in those big questions. People are essentially more interested in going on with their life, which i think is a healthier approach than to sit around and wonder or believe in something higher. Back in the church days, people were more or less forced to believe and they even visited their homes to makes sure they knew their scriptures. Which was a major reason why people moved to America in those days, to get their basic freedoms back and other peoples noses out of their asses... This is what established religion is all about, control. People who do believe out of personal faith from their own research is a whole other story, but those same people should stick to believing and cease trying to spread their words to others, as if they couldnt think for themselves. That's just plain arrogant and personal need for agreement in belief. People don't want to be hassled with ideas they have no interest in, that's why *snaps fingers* they moved away from here during those fine and dandy christian days in europe.



On a personal note, i don't believe in religion because i can't. I have no control over my mind to tell it to believe, it doesn't work like that. If this God critter is infallable and judging people, perhaps he shouldn't have made any in the first place. Because to me it seems rather fallable when claiming to be all knowing and all wise, love everything and everyone, have eternal patience. Dish out free will out of love, and then be displeased because people choose to live in a certain way.... An infallable being who knows how another being works, who are his exact opposite. Don't make me laugh... It would be an all loving being if he had simply made peoples minds like he did jesus, that way everyone would have been guaranteed to enter heaven. No wars, no babies in micro ovens and everyone would be happy. But no, he wanted diversity and multitude of personalites.. It doesn't take a perfect being to figure out that, in a diverse mulitude of personalites there will be bound to be murderers, rapists, phedophiles/child molestors (Innocent infants in the line of fire. God is all loving ? = Rethink!) etc etc. And these are people he is aware that he will have to condemn to hell. Nice divine plan.. For some people. I believe he even flooded earth in the bible once because he got angry over how people behaved. Of course the editors mentioned that it would never happen again.. But they did point out that he got, mildly upset and killed everyone. Infallable and eternal patience *ouch!* Killing your children because you failed with parenting them, now that is a true sign of not accepting failure in my book.

At any rate.. These aren't the arguments or something that i use for not believing, i simply can't believe. I don't believe a person should attempt or really try hard to believe in something because of stories of what might happen if you dont. If you believe in something passively without force of any kind, then you are probably believing what is right, for you... I wasen't smacked across my face with any scriptures as a child, as i know others who were and ended up christians. I was left to figure things out the way i pleased, and since then. I have come to my own conclutions, or simply agreed on the most reasonble explanations of existence of matter and life. I haven't choosen not to believe in anything.. The thing is (for the third time to underline it). I cannot believe in any religion. I don't know why. If my mind can't accept it. Then, perhaps.. That is also, another proof of fallacy in some higher being i wont.. mention.