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Originally Posted by agent_grey
you athiests try to use the bible to prove that god doesn't exist. LOL
FACT: God is real; always has been; always will be!
Gods word is a man(Yeshua) not a book!
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If the bible had not existed, what would have spoken for the existence of god ?.. So in equal terms you could say, that a man of faith also uses the bible to prove the existence of god. The unbeliever may do the opposite as well at times. This means that in the end it all comes down to, what we know, and what we believe to know. If you don't know and decide to act upon that, it would mean that you dont believe in the unknown. It is by believing what we don't know for facts and certainties, that brings us into the realm of liars and decievers. Media and propaganda has worked in that department since Julius caesar. And what rallies the minds of the masses to believe in something, have always been words of goodness, kindness and freedom, and whatever makes your country shine a little more than your neighbours. TV-commercials promises all kinds of nonsense in their attempts to sell useless trinkets and toys, and enough people buy them apparently since they bother to re-run the commercials again and again.
Democracy for instance has rallied as many followers as christianity, the one promises freedom, equality and peace. The other promises the same for the soul. Both are constructed by the same kind of men who makes profit of each.
"Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy" - Plato
Which is fairly easily seen these days i think.
History teaches by example, and they are endless. How the body of the masses is always, always and always believing in what they don't know for facts. They are told what the facts are, and they believe it. No critical thinking, no questions raised. It's blind belief, all because people are not willing to believe the thing that matters the most. That someone just might be feeding information that are on a need-to-know basis. If you take christianity as an example. The people who spread the words apparently believe in what they preach themselves, so it all comes out naturally without hickups. Same goes for the statesman who promises you everything, as long as you vote. But both promises given are always founded upon one thing, someones word for it... What else are there to show for it ?. Belief is what everything boils down to. What are you willing to believe in on promises, made on paper or orally. That is the questions you must ask yourself as you wade through all the waste products of other men's minds.
Some people are willing to believe, which is why wars have been perpetual and in multitude since the dawn of man. As well as elected officals, conspiracies, sold items of worthless use, preconceptions that has led to missunderstandings on which all kinds of atrocities have been made. The list is endless. People will believe everything and anything, history proves it. And the present most surely suggests that it will go on for eternity. Because people have always been ruled, just as some animals have been domesticated. We think we are free, becuase just like our pets, we are content with what our masters throw at us. We have grown used for centuries to be told in various ways what to think and what to do.
We are dogs and cats to the people in charge. You can call them god or politican, but it has always been the same kind of people and it will remain that way. God is a well constructed figure of litterature, i have seen no concrete proof that suggests the opposite. I suppose that Jesus might have lived once, but it may also just be that he and the freedom movement he was in charge of was both martyrized. And as such it was raised up and praised a little to much, but that is the typical thing about us humans.. We praise things so much, that we are blinded from reason. People praise the flag of their country to such a lenght, that wars are almost welcomed, enemies you never seen or spoken to are hated for reasons given by the men who know the truth, while letting the people in on crumbs of it. Religion has killed millions, people have been content with knowing the deeds of the persons on stakes and learnt not to ask more.
What have we learnt after 1000 years of madness ?.. Sadly nothing. People are keeping on believing, forgetting the past and thereby redoing the past. The learning curve in man is restricted to development in everything but the spirit and mind.
There is only one god, and that is the mind of the individual man.