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Originally Posted by With Alacrity
As any "Godly" argument I make is immediately attacked by Mitch (Copycat) or Karl (Tyrfingr), one claiming to have lost his faith, to 'logic,' the other having been deprived of any religious training altogether, I will temporarily cease argument from a Christians view, to point out a few of the scientific objections to your god; Darwin.
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I decided to cut out the rest of the quote, just to save us all the hassle of having to scroll down the screen for 20 minutes to get to the reply and re-read what is just ^^ up there.
"Deprived of religious training". The term "training" in that sentence sounds a little wierd. But i will of course admit, that i am not any kind of professor in theology, and i don't know half of everything about all that is stated in the bible or any other scriptures of religion, i will touch that subject further down this page.
I hope that my philosophies of life isn't being taken as attacks. I don't mean to come off as if i am attacking someone for their personally accepted views, oppinions or faiths. But i do raise questions, counter and retort against people or groups who takes themselves a little too seriously. Because i have always had (when it comes to religion) a hard time stomaching the fact, that some people claim that their beliefs are THE truth. In my humble oppinion, there is no spiritual or religious truth of such kind that it is universally applicable to everyone. If there were, then the truth would be of such clarity that nobody would disagree, there would only exist one faith a long time ago and everyone would be happy. And of course, the same thing goes for science and evolution.
Which is why i feel that those two should simply be held apart, because they only confuse things further for people when being in the same room of thought. Much for the same reason that the state and the church was once divided, to provide people with unbiazed truths and freedoms, that were not tainted from a source of belief that brings truth and freedom to one set of people, and forcing the other to conform.
I have gone over this before so it feels a bit redundant and repetitious. But i feel that i have to make it absolutely clear. That i am not against people needing or believing in any religion, and i am not against belief in any spiritual convictions. I don't know anything about the afterlife. And no scripture on earth, can convince me of any truth, lest it would say "1+1=2". Since i was a young boy, i always only accepted the truth that we know for facts. I mean true facts now, that stones are hard, and gravitation pulls, fire is hot etc.
I have long since learnt from studying people who debate or discusses either evolution, or possible outcomes of death with other people who have set beliefs about any of it. That the outcome of the debate will always perpetuate itself without coming to any form of conclution in favour of any side, regardless of arguments or presented "proofs". Therefore i have come to trust only in myself and my own senses of reality. And not engaged in any debate with the aim to disprove anything, just debate it and leave any oppinion i have as food for thoughts, or trash in the bin. All up to the people who listen.
Now i haven't made efforts to read or learn about any religion, simply because. And this has been repeated by me many times now; Books and scriptures written by living men thousands of years ago, holds no grounds for proof in regard to any afterlife of any sort. Belief is strictly for people who can or want to accept any promise of glorious eternity and a paradise. It is the nature of any living thing to defy death and fight for life. And this is no different for the mind that is enclosed in our human husks... Religion is the manifestation of life for the mind of people. It can't be seen, touched nore heard, so the conviction of it's existence is left entirely up to the mind to grasp and accept, or reject. Sadly in many occations, the minds if people are often swayed in directions of other peoples oppinions, instead of being convinced on it's own merits.
Most everything that mankind have created, is all just in the minds. Governments, sociecties, politics, religions, laws and ideas.. This is why we are limiting ourselves from our true potentials as human beings. Because most of these products of minds are universally accepted without having been questioned enough, or in some cases, at all. Most people don't raise questions to things that have been thought out by people, that they are deeming to be more enlightened, intelligent or wiser than themselves. Or even more dangerous. When those words have come from untouchable sources such as saints, holy and/or all powerful beings. If a mind has accepted that, then there is no point in engaging in debates about anything that could interfere with those words.
Thus i end with a quote.
I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded, what others do only from fear of the law - Aristotle
You could also say, fear of the manifestations of your mind.