Expelled

[With Alacrity]

you Darwinists were exterminating Jews, priests, teachers, or anyone that disagreed with your philosophy within YOUR OWN lifetime

. Sorry it should have read

>MANY< within YOUR OWN lifetime

Six million Jews, 20-24 million Russians, 10 million Christians and 1,900 Catholic priests starting with Hitler, Stalin, Red China, etc. and many more being slain by modern day communist Darwinian dictators.

We have the fossils. We win.

Where are the TRANSITIONAL FOSSILS???? Don't give me that bull about this happening over billions of years, if you have fossils, you have MUST HAVE transitional fossils. Or do I have to explain that the trilobite is the OLDEST fossil (according to evolutionists) BUT IT HAS THE MOST SOPHISTICATED EYE OF ANY ANIMAL.

SEE BELOW:

Trilobites are believed to be extinct, having once flourished in the oceans. According to evolutionary theory, they evolved at the beginning of the Paleozoic Era (over 500 million years ago), and became extinct during the late Permian period (248 million years ago)—long before dinosaurs or men are alleged to have lived on the Earth. In fact, the Cambrian Period is known as “The Age of Trilobites,” and these fascinating creatures have become known as “index fossils.” Evolutionists use the widely distributed index fossils to assist in dating other fossils found in the same sedimentary layer. For example, if you found a fossil (from an unknown era) near a trilobite, evolutionists suggest you could assume that the two species existed around the same time. (This is actually stupid but, that's evolution for you.)

Since trilobites are considered to have been one of the first creatures to have evolved, it would make sense (from an evolutionary perspective) to suggest that they possessed fairly primitive features. Yet the eye of the trilobite is anything but primitive! Paleontologist Niles Eldredge of the American Museum of Natural History commented:


These lenses—technically termed aspherical, aplanatic lenses—optimize both light collecting and image formation better than any lens ever conceived. We can be justifiably amazed that these trilobites, very early in the history of life on Earth, hit upon the best possible lens design that optical physics has ever been able to formulate (as quoted in Ellis, 2001, p. 49, emp. added).


Riccardo Levi-Setti, one of the world’s most renowned trilobite experts, remarked: “In fact, this optical doublet is a device so typically associated with human invention that its discovery in trilobites comes as something of a shock.... The design of the trilobite’s eye lens could well qualify for a patent disclosure” (1993, p. 54,57, emp. added). Evolutionist David Raup admitted: “The trilobites used an optimal design which would require a well-trained and imaginative optical engineer to develop today” (1979, 50:24). Science writer Lisa Shawyer concluded: “Trilobites had “the most sophisticated eye lenses ever produced by nature.” Ian Taylor asked: “If Darwin turned cold at the thought of the human eye at theend of the evolutionary cycle, what, one wonders, would he have thought of the trilobite eye near the beginning?” (1992, p. 169, emp. added). What indeed?
In other words; the best was saved for first...... DUH?

Is this what you were referring to as having the fossil record?

~~~ 73 & God Bless ~ >",)Bob>< ~~~

[CopyCat]

Originally Posted by Tyrfingr

I wouldn't even know what to answer back at *sigh*... It seems like a whole bunch of various themes being tossed around at the moment. Non believer vs bible scripture, believer vs theory of evolution. And theory itself.. I even saw something about Thermodynamics actually proving the existence of god. To me this sounds like clinging on with teeth and nails to faith, because that's what you got to have plenty of when making a statment like that lol.

This is the fundamental that we know - Man wrote the bible, what part any god had in it's creation is also referenced in the same book, which were again, penned by man, people, humans. And lots of these people hardly bare any weight behind them. They were all supposedly desciples to jesus, who were according to people at the time, the son of god. Now... Believing these tales takes, faith. And to have faith, you have to be able to believe what you read or hear. The fat misstake that believers make, is that they assume in some way that other peoples minds work in the same manner as their own when it comes to these matters. Which is why many people will call you an idiot for having a different oppinion, some people just wont accept it.

You wont be able to convince someone to believe in anything whole heartedly. A person who are convinced by means of suggestion or carefully constructed arguments by others , are highly likely to believe out of ignorance. A person who are above average of intelligence and reasonbly educated in litterature and history, will most likely be able to form their own ideas and theories of life and the world we live in. While other people simply adopt affixed theories that makes sense to them, some people after all isn't interested at all in those big questions. People are essentially more interested in going on with their life, which i think is a healthier approach than to sit around and wonder or believe in something higher. Back in the church days, people were more or less forced to believe and they even visited their homes to makes sure they knew their scriptures. Which was a major reason why people moved to America in those days, to get their basic freedoms back and other peoples noses out of their asses... This is what established religion is all about, control. People who do believe out of personal faith from their own research is a whole other story, but those same people should stick to believing and cease trying to spread their words to others, as if they couldnt think for themselves. That's just plain arrogant and personal need for agreement in belief. People don't want to be hassled with ideas they have no interest in, that's why *snaps fingers* they moved away from here during those fine and dandy christian days in europe.



On a personal note, i don't believe in religion because i can't. I have no control over my mind to tell it to believe, it doesn't work like that. If this God critter is infallable and judging people, perhaps he shouldn't have made any in the first place. Because to me it seems rather fallable when claiming to be all knowing and all wise, love everything and everyone, have eternal patience. Dish out free will out of love, and then be displeased because people choose to live in a certain way.... An infallable being who knows how another being works, who are his exact opposite. Don't make me laugh... It would be an all loving being if he had simply made peoples minds like he did jesus, that way everyone would have been guaranteed to enter heaven. No wars, no babies in micro ovens and everyone would be happy. But no, he wanted diversity and multitude of personalites.. It doesn't take a perfect being to figure out that, in a diverse mulitude of personalites there will be bound to be murderers, rapists, phedophiles/child molestors (Innocent infants in the line of fire. God is all loving ? = Rethink!) etc etc. And these are people he is aware that he will have to condemn to hell. Nice divine plan.. For some people. I believe he even flooded earth in the bible once because he got angry over how people behaved. Of course the editors mentioned that it would never happen again.. But they did point out that he got, mildly upset and killed everyone. Infallable and eternal patience *ouch!* Killing your children because you failed with parenting them, now that is a true sign of not accepting failure in my book.

At any rate.. These aren't the arguments or something that i use for not believing, i simply can't believe. I don't believe a person should attempt or really try hard to believe in something because of stories of what might happen if you dont. If you believe in something passively without force of any kind, then you are probably believing what is right, for you... I wasen't smacked across my face with any scriptures as a child, as i know others who were and ended up christians. I was left to figure things out the way i pleased, and since then. I have come to my own conclutions, or simply agreed on the most reasonble explanations of existence of matter and life. I haven't choosen not to believe in anything.. The thing is (for the third time to underline it). I cannot believe in any religion. I don't know why. If my mind can't accept it. Then, perhaps.. That is also, another proof of fallacy in some higher being i wont.. mention.

^^^ QFT !!! Yeah yeah, what he said... lol !!!

Ohhh, now I get it... So when he said:
PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.
He was just kidding right, he has got a warped sense of humor if you ask me... For a guy that is suppose to be all about peace and love and fairness, he sounds pretty dog gone mean up there to me... And why go threw all this anyway ??? God is suppose to know all, he knows everything that is going happen... So why go threw all this, why don't he just skip to the end and put everybody where he already knows there going ??? Then he wouldn't have to put all those people threw all those pains and horror... Unless of course he gets off on watching people suffer... Nope, sorry, I'm not buying that load of hogwash Bob... The Bible is just a very old book of fairy tails to me...
Best Wishes~ >*), Mitch>< ~CopyCat

[Tyrfingr]

When Jesus comes again he will come not as a lamb to slaughter as he came the first time, he will be coming as a conqueror to judge the unsaved by their own words spoken during their lifetime. His enemies will be kaput, finis, done for... Hallelujah!

Revelation: :11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS

Does this sound like he's coming back to say: Ats-a nice-a. Yous-a been-a good-a boy-a.

HE'S COMING BACK AS A CONQUERING KING AND WILL DESTROY HIS ENEMIES.
HE'S NOT COMING BACK AS MR NICE GUY.

~~~ 73 & God Bless ~ >",)Bob>< ~~~[/quote]




In Norse mythology, Ragnarok or Ragnarök (Fate of the Gods) is the final battle waged between the Æsir, led by Odin, and the various forces of the giants or Jötnar, including Loki, followed by the destruction of the world and its subsequent rebirth.

What seems eschatologically unique about Ragnarök is that the gods already know through prophecy what is going to happen — when the event will occur, who will be slain by whom, and so forth. They even realize that they are powerless to prevent it but nevertheless bravely and defiantly face their bleak destiny. This is thought by some scholars to represent the ordered world (the Æsir) eventually succumbing to the unavoidable forces of chaos and entropy (the giants)."

Yggdrasil, the World Tree, will groan and shudder, shaking from root to limb, and nothing will then be unafraid on earth or in the heavens or in Hel. The dwarves, those "princes of the mountain wall", [9] will lament before their doorways of stone. All the Æsir and einherjar will put on their war gear and advance onto the field to meet the giants. Odin will ride in front of the vast host [10] wearing a golden helmet, a shining coat of mail and brandishing his spear Gungnir.

The Prose Edda, put in writing some two centuries later by Snorri Sturluson, describes in detail what takes place before, during, and after the battle.

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Platonic idealism is the theory that the substantive reality around us is only a reflection of a higher truth. That truth, Plato argued, is the abstraction. He believed that ideas were more real than things. He developed a vision of two worlds: a world of unchanging ideas and a world of changing physical objects.

For example, a particular tree, with a branch or two missing, possibly alive, possibly dead, and with the initials of two lovers carved into its bark, is distinct from the abstract form of Tree-ness. A Tree is the ideal that each of us holds that allows us to identify the imperfect reflections of trees all around us.

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I took the liberty to copy and paste a couple of items to save me the hassle of typing everything from scratch. One from the older religion that existed up here once upon a time. And the other is even older and more approached with philosophical reasoning. The later vanished completely for a long period of time after the fall of the roman empire. Seems like enlightenment dissapeared entirely with the fall of the romans, the catholic church that took over kept people at a state of unawareness like the iron curtain in soviet. No wonder this part of our history was called the Dark age.

If people would have been allowed to think for themselves without forced to conviction of a certain faith. One could wonder how the world would have looked like today. People like Plato who thought freely, tried to explain the world and everything in it through other means than simply sticking to blind faith. This was much thanks to the tolerant religion that existed during that time. It was the same thing up here during the days of the old religion, there were people who simply kept away from religion all together. Like the greeks they simply lived by the rule that you be judged by your behaviour, not by your faith. Which is a much more reasonable way of living.

The Muslim and Christian together with the Jewish faith all originate from the far east, with very simillar traits. Condemning, intolerant, prejudiced and highly insecure followers. As opposed to the western religions who actually, and ironically (when studying the holy scriptures of any side) always kept to the tolerant and peaceful attitude that the eastern ones only promised and never kept. Muslims have not always been violent as today, but more semi-violent. It was actually once, one of the greatest cultures in the world, their values seen through our eyes of course can always be questioned. The christian and jewish faiths and followers on the other hand have always been deceitful, lying and taking every oppurtunity possible to reach their agendas. To spread their religion to other people. And like the muslims as well they all been branding those who wont accept their faith as heathens. These days the spoilt christians are laughably calling unfaithful people "unsaved".

It's all bullshit though. The higher up on the ladder the more you gain in the religious faiths, while the followers are the only ones who truly believe and work to spread the word of their god/s. The exact same thing as in politics, different sides promises different things, and it's up to you to believe it or not.


It's all about self interest in the end, no matter how you turn it.

[With Alacrity]

This is about the genocide of the more than four thousand lives lost EACH DAY in the name of Darwinism.

Thirty-five years ago, America joined the ranks of nations engaging in the genocide of its own people. In 1973 the U.S. Supreme Court launched an all-out assault, this time not on a religious or ethnic group, but on victims with no voice, no defense, and no allies. It marks the day that, under the pretense of privacy, the womb became an unfair battlefield for the unborn.

The beginning of America’s toleration for abortion can be traced back to the mid-1800s. It was in 1860 that German college professor Ernst Haeckel, just finishing Darwin’s Origin of the Species, left his physician practice for the study of embryology. So convinced by what he read, Haeckel became one of the most zealous advocates of Darwinism in the nineteenth century.

Nine years later, with no real evidence for evolution, Haeckel devised sketched charts of human developmental stages. By 1875, Haeckel was convicted of fraud in a trial held by his own university. There he admitted to faking his drawings in an attempt to show similarities between the human embryo and that of animals. TODAY, many biology textbooks STILL include these charts, purposefully deceiving thousands of students, with no mention of their fraudulent history.

Despite Haeckel's conviction, his drawings paved the way for the murdering of the unborn. If a human life is nothing more than an animal, it’s no wonder the textbooks refer to the unborn as a mere “blob of tissue.” Haeckel’s sacred cow of evolution is the well-hidden and underlying missing link to abortion.

America often mourns the horror of September 11, 2001 when nearly three thousand lives were tragically taken, yet keeps silent as more than four thousand lives are stolen each day through this evolution-influenced terrorism called abortion. We protest the casualties of war—yet turn our heads away from the 50 million innocent victims of Roe v. Wade. As Christians continue to stand on the sidelines, the Bible is unwavering; God ordained each of us in the womb (Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee-)

~~~ 73 & God Bless ~ >",)Bob>< ~~~ With Alacrity

[With Alacrity]

The Muslim and Christian together with the Jewish faith all originate from the far east, with very simillar traits. Condemning, intolerant, prejudiced and highly insecure followers. As opposed to the western religions who actually, and ironically (when studying the holy scriptures of any side) always kept to the tolerant and peaceful attitude that the eastern ones only promised and never kept. Muslims have not always been violent as today, but more semi-violent. It was actually once, one of the greatest cultures in the world, their values seen through our eyes of course can always be questioned. The christian and jewish faiths and followers on the other hand have always been deceitful, lying and taking every oppurtunity possible to reach their agendas. To spread their religion to other people. And like the muslims as well they all been branding those who wont accept their faith as heathens. These days the spoilt christians are laughably calling unfaithful people "unsaved".

Karl, I'm stunned. Is THIS what they teach in Sweden today? There are so many twisted "truths" in just THIS portion of your letter I could write a doctoral thesis just refuting this. There is no way that I can answer to so many so very wrong statements. I'll accept defeat, I simply do not have that kind of time available to me.
~~~ 73 & God Bless ~ >",)Bob>< ~~~ With Alacrity

[Tyrfingr]

Originally Posted by With Alacrity

Karl, I'm stunned. Is THIS what they teach in Sweden today? There are so many twisted "truths" in just THIS portion of your letter I could write a doctoral thesis just refuting this. There is no way that I can answer to so many so very wrong statements. I'll accept defeat, I simply do not have that kind of time available to me.
~~~ 73 & God Bless ~ >",)Bob>< ~~~ With Alacrity

Bob my dear friend and enemy (jokingly). What they teach here in Sweden is one thing. I tend to seek my own truths, because i never really held what the teachers say to be the final word and the truths. In more than many occations i have found out that what i have been taught, has actually just been selected items. When taking it upon yourself to read more in depth about things. You quickly learn that there are much much much more to be found. Different angles and other sources which brings you a more complete picture of things. Naturally one might missunderstand and missinterpret some things, because i have this habit of thinking a little for myself.

I never state that im right about everything i write or say. And i have no problem with contemplating what people might have to retort with either. I keep an open mind about things, because i know im not all knowing and all wise.

Understandably you will disagree with my oppinions, but please don't presume that im missinformed by others. Or that i am reading books written by conspiracy theorists etc. I've read factual historical books, of many foreign authors of English and American decents, as well as Swedish contemporaries. And i have done my outmost to dig as deep as possible in human history on many levels more than just religion. I've studied cultures and wars, you name it. I know what you feel about the muslims for one thing, and don't think i am a defender of their culture and religion. I'm not particulary hostile towards anything that i'm studying impartially. I simply read the facts from all sides, and try and puzzle things together like any historian would... Naturally, im not an expert on any subject, and i am but human so again. I am liable to be false in some matters of oppinion that i have, and im not afraid of being corrected.

I also understand if you get frustrated with what i have to say, it's a feeling i also get sometimes when i see things that i don't agree with at all. Because we all reach our own conclutions from studying different sources. But i stand by my oppinions, and im willing to acknowledge faults if i see reason pointing in that direction.

I'm inclosing a little P.S here as well...

"The christian and jewish faiths and followers on the other hand have always been deceitful, lying and taking every oppurtunity possible to reach their agendas. To spread their religion to other people. And like the muslims as well they all been branding those who wont accept their faith as heathens. These days the spoilt christians are laughably calling unfaithful people "unsaved"."

With that part i don't mean *EVERY* follower naturally. I only mean the established religious congregations, that has pushed and shoved people to believe or be punished. The church of today has been declawed and defanged. But with it's bloody and brutal history that they have behind them, they have undoubtedly ruined more for themselves and will always be looked upon with skepticism. At least from my part and people who are non believers in that faith. I have nothing against people who truly believe on their own though, and i don't look down upon them in any way. People have to find their own meaning with life and afterlife, i only react to preachers who will not accept other peoples oppinions. Freedom will always beat slavery in the long run. People who are under the rule of belief of something that they don't believe in with their hearts, as well as their minds will always be in doubt until they find out the truth and answer on their own. That is why the church as well as dictatorships has always failed. Democracy which presents a false sense of freedom to people, succeed because it gives people hope and a sense of security. Willing obediance, beats forced obediance anytime.

[With Alacrity]

A man went to a barbershop to have his hair cut and his beard trimmed. As the barber began to work, they began to have a good conversation. They talked about many things and various subjects.

When they eventually touched on the subject of God, the barber said: "I don't believe that God exists."

"Why do you say that?" asked the customer.

Well, you just have to go out in the street to realize that God doesn't exist. Tell me, if God exists, would there be so many sick people? Would there be abandoned children?

If God existed, there would be neither suffering nor pain.
I can't imagine a loving God who would allow all of these things.
The customer thought for a moment, but didn't respond because he didn't want to start an argument.

The barber finished his job and the customer left the shop.

Just after he left the barbershop, he saw a man in the street with long, stringy, dirty hair and an untrimmed beard. He looked dirty and unkempt.

The customer turned back and entered the barber shop again and said to the barber: "You know what? Barbers do not exist."

"How can you say that?" asked the surprised barber. "I am here, and I am a barber. And I just worked on you!"

"No!" the customer exclaimed. "Barbers don't exist because if they did, there would be no people with dirty long hair and untrimmed beards, like that man outside."

"Ah, but barbers DO exist! That's what happens when people do not come to me."

"Exactly!" affirmed the customer. "That's the point!
God, too, DOES exist! That's what happens when people do not go to Him and don't look to Him for help. That's why there's so much pain and suffering in the world."

[CopyCat]

Hmm, I would think that if there was a all powerful barber that was kind and
loving... A barber that could give everyone a hair cut with the mear wave of
his hand, he would... I certainly don't think a all powerful, loving, caring
barber would just take peoples money and do nothing...

~~~ Best wishes ~ >",)Mitch>< ~~~ CopyCat

[With Alacrity]

Originally Posted by CopyCat

Hmm, I would think that if there was a all powerful barber that was kind and
loving... A barber that could give everyone a hair cut with the mear wave of
his hand, he would... I certainly don't think a all powerful, loving, caring
barber would just take peoples money and do nothing...

~~~ Best wishes ~ >",)Mitch>< ~~~ CopyCat

I kinda' thought the analogy might be lost on you Mitch.
~~~ 73 & God Bless ~ >",)Bob>< ~~~

[CopyCat]

Originally Posted by With Alacrity

I kinda' thought the analogy might be lost on you Mitch.
~~~ 73 & God Bless ~ >",)Bob>< ~~~

Yeah well I kinda figured that my point blank
comparison would be lost on you too Bob... lol !!!

~~~ Best wishes ~ >)Mitch>< ~~~