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05-10-2008, 04:34 AM
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 Bob I don't need to hide my words in a email... I'll gladly tell you right here for all to hear... I am against religion because it has been by far the reason for more violence and killing in the world than any other thing... Surely you must realize this with all the holy wars and multitude of other reasons people have thought up to kill in the name of God... Why do you think all those people over there in the Middle East hate us so ??? It not the color of our skin Bob... Its because we don't believe in the same imaginary God that they do... "Without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." I think its time for religious peeps to wake up and smell the coffee... And it happening, we have got religion out of the schools and atheism is on the rise... The day is coming when people will look at religion the same way they now look at the thought of the world being flat... Not in our lifetime, not in our children lifetime, but its coming... I'm sure of that...  ~~~ Best wishes ~ >)Mitch>< ~~~CopyCat
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05-11-2008, 02:31 AM
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Secondly, without God, how CAN there be either good OR evil? According to your standard what harms you is evil. By what standard is it then >evil< if [i] find it >good< to harm you? Quote:
As to " the world being flat.." Strange you should mention that, as the Bible said it was round some 4,700 years ago. (Yes, I realize the compilation of various scrolls that comprise the received texts of today were not called the bible back then any more that the "word" dinosaur did not exist before 1840.) ~~~ 73 & God Bless ~ >",)Bob>< ~~~
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05-11-2008, 10:58 AM
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Mitch give me your password to your account would you. I'm just dying to rob you off the pleasure to kill those arguments. lol... Bob, you don't need to flick the light switch in order to see all the things in artifical lightening. If you lived in the same house for as many years as you have, you eventually learn where all the things are if you just trust your senses.
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05-11-2008, 12:54 PM
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lol !!! Oh no you don't Carl, this one is mine buddy... You can carve him up when I'm done with him...  Quote:
Well you are absolutely right Bob... When I read about the Holy Wars and the burning of philosophers and witches in history books... I see that this is the murder of millions of innocent people in the name of this imaginary God... And then I see how these religious people are only mirroring the actions they read about in the Bible... Or following there imaginary Gods words to kill all the men, women and children that don't believe in there God and keep all the young virgins for themselves to do as they will... An imaginary God that is so violent that he once supposedly killed everything on the planet with a great flood... Yes Bob this is the same imaginary God that you call master and pray and give thanks to everyday... Quote:
They are only following the words of there imaginary God Bob... One that is very similar to yours... They are just more murdering religious people, not unlike fundamental Christians... Quote:
Charles Darwin's theory of evolution is not a [faith based religion] lol !!! And evolution is only one of the possible theories that I could see as being true... But evolution is based on facts, where as creationism is based on myths and fantasy... And all religions do belong in the same cubical because of this... Quote:
Sorry Bob, but that ranting doesn't even deserve an answer... Your only making yourself look foolish here... Quote:
I believe we have already discussed this subject... We are well aware of each others views on this... Quote:
I'm not sure what you are trying to say here Bob ??? Maybe that the dead sea scrolls or some other biblical writings are the words of your imaginary God ??? Or maybe you just see some bits and pieces in them that you would like added to the Bible ??? I would think that if there was an all powerful God, he wouldn't leave us guessing what was his word... He would make sure that all of mankind were all on the same page... I need to ask you Bob, just from reading the things that you say... Do you think that I am a evil person because I'm an atheist??? ~~~ Best wishes ~ >)Mitch>< ~~~CopyCat
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05-12-2008, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by With Alacrity
I was hoping for more candor Mitch. You certainly didn't simply arrive at this conclusion out of the blue. Someone or something had to have had a striking effect on you. ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ~ <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< CCat evaded: Well you are absolutely right Bob... When I read about the Holy Wars and the burning of philosophers and witches in history books... I see that this is the murder of millions of innocent people in the name of this imaginary God... And then I see how these religious people are only mirroring the actions they read about in the Bible... Or following there imaginary Gods words to kill all the men, women and children that don't believe in there God and keep all the young virgins for themselves to do as they will... An imaginary God that is so violent that he once supposedly killed everything on the planet with a great flood... Yes Bob this is the same imaginary God that you call master and pray and give thanks to everyday... ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ~ <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< CCat Sez: "supposedly" killed everything on the planet with a great flood... Bob Sez: Stories of a flood can be found in such diverse places as the Middle East, India, China, Australia, southern Asia, the islands of the Pacific, Europe, AND the Americas, literally HUNDREDS of religions and folk lore world-wide contain universal all encompassing flood stories. The Chinese word for boat chuán symbolically depicts 8 people in a boat. *8 people survived the flood* Hell of a coincidence? ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ~ <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< CCat Sez: "An imaginary God that is so violent that he once supposedly killed everything on the planet with a great flood... Yes Bob this is the same imaginary God that you call master and pray and give thanks to everyday..." Bob Sez: Your display of extreme anger goes WAY beyond a mere Freudian slip. As you recall, I asked for candor Mitch... ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ~ <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< Bob SEZ: "I'll quote Mitch here:" "Sorry (MITCH), but that ranting doesn't even deserve an answer... You're only making yourself look foolish here..." Again, I was REALLY hoping for more candor Mitch. That's why I suggested a private personal letter from you. A normal person who doesn't believe in a thing ignores it... You however, attack Christ crucified with eyes closed, flailing wildly with every bit of venom and hatred you can muster, as if your very existence depends on it. That bit of hypocrisy reeks strongly of limburger and ranks a Darwin award, first class. Unlike yourself, I'll not hide behind a glib non-answer. You go from 'God' to 'gods' interchangeably, while completely ignoring the god of Darwinism which (as I have already pointed out in past posts) has caused more death and misery than all the rest of the "gods" combined. Christians from the first century AD, on have been and still are, being sacrificed throughout history like Lambs to slaughter, yet somehow the short period of the crusades (in the >NAME< of Christ) are all YOU can see. Meanwhile you ignore the history of the crusades in the popular modern belief being promulgated that the crusades were unprovoked attacks by Christian extremists. This totally ignors the fact that the crusaders drove the oppressive Muslim sharia law (which the non Muslims were suffering under) out of most of europe. Karl, make a note of this portion of your missing history along with American Indian cannibalism. ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ~ <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< Bob Said: This part is very true. Islam has been like that since it's very earliest beginnings. CCat sez: They are only following the words of 'there' imaginary God Bob... One that is very similar to yours... They are just more murdering religious people, not unlike fundamental Christians... Bob sez: I believe the word you are searching for is 'their' (possessive) imaginary God rather then: 'there,' as in: here or 'there.' You confusingly use the two words interchangeably leaving me guessing at times. Fundamental Christians; murderers? Damn, You're right. I knew I shouldn't have confessed to 'murdering' those cats. After all according to evolution: cats are equal beings not superior or inferior to ourselves and their killing must thus be a capital offense- or not. VOTE FOR VEGETABLE RIGHTS... ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ~ <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< Bob said: That's where you are totally screwed up. To start with you place all religions in the same cubical and conveniently forget that Darwinism, the most [faith based religion] of all belongs in there too. CCats answer: Charles Darwin's theory of evolution is not a [faith based religion] lol !!! And evolution is only one of the possible theories that I could see as being true... But evolution is based on facts, where as creationism is based on myths and fantasy... And all religions do belong in the same cubical because of this... CCAT SEZ: " only one of the possible theories that I could see as being true.. Bob SEZ: As I already answered that below, this just further proves my point: When a man denies God he doesn't believe in nothing. He'll believe in anything. Creationism is based on obvious rational observation of the myriad things surrounding us that clearly REQUIRE a creator. "There is none so blind as he who WILL not see."-John Heywood. Or: Jeremiah 5:21: Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not: Or: Matthew 13:13: 13:13 Therefore I speak to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ~ <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< CCAT SEZ: Evolution is only one of the possible theories. Bob sez: That's just more evasions. Evolution is the one you are so desperately defending so NAME ONE! As I've already debunked the ridiculous idea of interstellar travel of "more highly evolved beings" by pointing out that the nearest galaxy with the "possibility" of having a planet similar to earth able to support life is some 7,000 light years away (Then how did THESE more "highly evolved" beings come about?). Everything is acceptable to you "EXCEPT A CREATOR." which brings us right back to "you'll believe in anything." CCat Quote: "evolution is based on facts." Bob SEZ: Again, and again, and again, I keep asking you to name one single case of provable evolution OTHER THAN MICRO EVOLUTION'S CHANGES WITHIN SPECIES or KINDS. I'll even make it easier for you. Name one gain in the genome or an evolutionary process that can be seen to BENEFICIALLY increase the genome. Oops, sorry, lol, I guess I wasn't supposed to slip in the word "beneficially." You see Mitch, (your "lol" aside). That is what makes Darwinism a totally faith based religion. Darwinists keep SAYING that they have proof, but they can not give so much as a single iota of it. It's all Satan's smoke and mirrors... ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ~ <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< Bob Said: When a man denies God he doesn't believe in nothing. He'll believe in anything. Secondly, without God, how CAN there be either good OR evil? According to your standard what harms you is evil. By what standard is it then >evil< if I find it >good< to harm you? ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ~ <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< CCat evaded: "Sorry Bob, but that ranting doesn't even deserve an answer... Your only making yourself look foolish here..." Bob's answer: LOL! Stopped you dead in your tracks on this one Mitch? Without God, there can be neither good OR evil. Evil means: profoundly immoral and malevolent. By who's judgment? As an evolved piece of lightning struck slime aren't you taking an awful lot upon yourself? As an animal how do you arrive at good or bad? If it feels good TO YOU, do it, after all; what's immoral to slime? ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ~ <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< TO BE CONTINUED:
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05-12-2008, 11:31 AM
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CCat Quote: (Yes, I realize the compilation of various scrolls that comprise the received texts of today were not called the bible back then any more that the "word" dinosaur did not exist before 1840.) I'm not sure what you are trying to say here Bob ??? Maybe that the dead sea scrolls or some other biblical writings are the words of your imaginary God ??? Or maybe you just see some bits and pieces in them that you would like added to the Bible ??? I would think that if there was an all powerful God, he wouldn't leave us guessing what was his word... He would make sure that all of mankind were all on the same page... CCat Sez: Or maybe you just see some bits and pieces in them that you would like added to the Bible ??? Bob sez: Revelations 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. CCat sez: I would think that if there was an all powerful God, he wouldn't leave us guessing what was his word... He would make sure that all of mankind were all on the same page... Bob Sez: Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, CCAT SAYS: the dead sea scrolls or some other biblical writings are the words of your imaginary God ??? NO, they are the corrupted words of my God. (Catholics, please skip this part and move on down.) Much simplified historically, they are the works of the Alexandrian cult in Egypt dating from the first century AD. The dead sea scrolls, the Catholic bible, and all modern bibles excepting the KJV all originated with the Alexandrian cult manuscripts, which; as they were not much used, are the oldest surviving original manuscripts. The texts coming from two atheistic astrologers Wescott and Hort, greek translation scholars who made good translations of the (bad) Alexandrian cult manuscripts also came from this corrupted source. That is why I will not acknowledge any biblical quotes from any other source than the KJV. That has resulted in the Catholic mess that still stands largely today, which has destroyed and discredited almost all of Christendom throughout europe. The rest having come about by the abuse of numerous papal personages who were into heavy political intrigue. The political intrigue was the direct result of knowledge accumulated in the confessional. As they say, knowledge is power, especially when you know where the skeletons are buried. For a time a Catholic could even buy advanced absolution for a sin they wanted to commit. They even had a set rate: so much for adultery, so much for murder etc. Purgatory however, (to the best of my knowledge) was and is, simply a good money maker for the church, with relatives feeling guilty if they don't BUY their deceased a more comfortable afterlife. Understand, political intrigue did not involve JUST Popes or Cardinals, but often went as low as individual parish priests who often 'sold' their knowledge for position. This is not to say that there were not then as now, honest (if mislead) priests. When I was much younger (BC), I've accompanied Catholic priests to Canadian blind pig night clubs, that were every bit as glamorous as any in Reno or Vagas at that time. While never Catholic myself, I've known my share of priests. >Stories end here!< It was never my intent to alienate any Catholic readers. Unfortunately, your refusal to communicate privately has forced this issue into the open way beyond my preference in order to explain a little about the corrupted words of my God. ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ~ <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< CCAT SEZ: I need to ask you Bob, just from reading the things that you say... Do you think that I am a evil person because I'm an atheist??? Bob SEZ: As an 'evolved' piece of lightning struck slime, aren't you taking an awful lot upon yourself to call yourself either good or evil? I've never even seen an 'evil' rock, even the one that slew Able wasn't evil. Or have you forgotten already that without God's standard, nothing CAN be evil or good. However the bible says: Psalm 53:1 The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and their ways are vile; ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ~ <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< ~~~ Best wishes ~ >")Mitch>< ~~~CopyCat ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ~ <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< Oh, btw., I've been meaning to compliment you on the stylized Christian fish that you've been enclosing your name in lately. Is this what is known as a Freudian slip? ~~~ 73 & God Bless ~ your friend >",)Bob>< ~~~ With Alacrity Last edited by With Alacrity; 05-12-2008 at 02:14 PM.
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05-12-2008, 02:37 PM
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I'm also read up on the history of the Crusades. Where the truly convicted (And poor people) from all sides fought and killed each other mercilessly for centuries over religeous belief, and these people had no choice but to believe.. Or as in many cases, "believe" because faithless people who had their wits about them didn't speak their minds aloud... You should also remember that while the church at that time fought for more influence over peoples minds. The interest of the kings were on a strict political agenda and to gain more influence on that area. More land for the sake resources and subjects and so on. You might notice in many writings from that time, how they always used "god" and "in gods name" in order to bless their own ideas and wars. The crusaders did indeed drive out the muslims, and i'm not the one to say that everything was bad about all the christian enterprises, some were unavoidable strictly politically, and when you have an enemy that keeps attacking you have to act accordingly... But decisions to send young men to die over jerusalem seems to me like a complete waste of lives, for nothing more than vanity. But i also reckognize that the church of it's time didn't follow the message that the bible states even half of the time, nore did the muslims on their end. Both books also contain just as much intolerance to other beliefs, so war is inevitable and will be ongoing for as long as there will be people massing around one big religion with scriptures; that states what people should do, think and how to define enemies. Both books speak of love and compassion, but to kill those who can't be saved. "There is none so blind as he who WILL not see."-John Heywood. There is none so arrogant as he who expects of others to think, reason and come to the same conclusions as oneself. - Me just now.
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05-12-2008, 07:03 PM
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Does that refresh your memory? Last edited by With Alacrity; 05-12-2008 at 07:06 PM.
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