Expelled

[With Alacrity]

"Expelled" promises to be controversial to say the least. Especially as I understand it's not being done as a cleverly edited propaganda piece i.e. Michael Moore, or pseudo scientific mumbo jumbo like Al Gore attempting to pass himself off as someone knowledgeable or qualified. Doubtlessly the free press will do their best to ignore it, and somehow I don't see Ben Stein being nominated for a Nobel.
73 & God Bless ~ >"),Bob>< ~~ With Alacrity.

"It's (EXPELLED) going to appeal strongly to the religious, the paranoid, the conspiracy theorists, and the ignorant –– which means they're going to draw in about 90% of the American market."
-Atheist blogger and fabulist PZ Myers, on a film he has not yet seen.
MAR 06

Ben Stein Smart Bombs Darwinian Bunker
By Jack Cashill

A rousing SRO preview on Tuesday of the new Ben Stein documentary, Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed, brought a Kansas City audience to its feet.
And with good cause. Stein’s often funny, always engaging frontal assault on the oppressive neo-Darwinist establishment is arguably the smartest and most sophisticated documentary ever produced on the right side of the cultural divide, on any subject, ever.
As such, Expelled represents still another blow to the progressive orthodoxy of government-issued science in its winter of discontent.
The winter started early when in November two separate labs, one in Wisconsin, one in Japan, announced the breakthrough discovery that adult skin cells can be reprogrammed to mimic embryonic stem cells.
Just two years earlier, the elfin journalist Chris Mooney had likened adult stem cell research to creationism and assured the readers of his best seller, The Republican War on Science, that this “dogma” had been “resoundingly rejected by researchers actually working in the field.”
As the winter rolled on, and as all four major global temperature tracking outlets showed a precipitous drop in annual global temperature, and as snow fell in Baghdad for the first time in recorded history, only Al Gore remained in meltdown.
Meanwhile, on a seemingly daily basis, the neo-Luddites from the Earth Liberation Front and the Animal Liberation Front have been putting a distinctly left wing face on the “war on science,” in this case a real war on real scientists.
And into this breach, armed with his trademark tennies and bemused grin, marches Ben Stein, America’s only economist/ presidential speechwriter turned comic actor. The producers at Premise Media could not have recruited a better on-screen presence.
Although the role Stein plays has been compared to the one Michael Moore plays in his film, the Stein persona is conspicuously brighter and more benign.
Nor do Stein and his producers resort to the kind of editing that make Moore movies something other than documentaries.
In Bowling For Columbine , for instance, Moore cobbles together five different parts of NRA honcho Charlton Heston’s Denver speech a week after Columbine.
Moore then inserts into the mix a “cold, dead hands” remark from a speech Heston gave a year later. In the process Moore turn Heston’s conciliatory Denver address into a provocative call to arms.
This isn’t film making. This is fraud.
Stein resorts to no such tricks. He gives certain interview subjects all the time and all the rope they need to hang themselves, unedited.
One highlight among many is Stein’s one-on-one interview with Richard Dawkins, the dashing Brit who has made a small fortune as the world’s most visible neo-Darwinist.
To his credit, and to the utter discomfort of the public education establishment, Dawkins does not shy from discussing the atheistic implications of Darwinism.
Indeed, Dawkin’s anti-deity call to arms, The God Delusion, has sold more than a million copies worldwide. Where Dawkins wanders into a black hole of his own making is in his discussion of the origins of life on earth.
To Stein’s astonishment, [COLOR="Red"]Dawkins concedes that life might indeed have a designer but that designer almost assuredly was a more highly evolved being from another planet, not “God.”[/color]
Stein does not respond. He does not need to. For the past hour of the film, the audience has met one scientist after another whose academic careers have been derailed for daring to suggest the possibility of intelligent design.
If only they had thought to put the designer on another planet!
The choice of Stein as narrator is inspired for another reason. That reason becomes most apparent when he and two “creationist” allies, mathematician David Berlinski and nuclear physicist Gerald Schroeder, visit a remnant of the Berlin Wall, the central metaphor of the film.
At the wall, the three discuss the value of freedom, the central idea of the film, and the need for the same in science. The audience has already met Berlinski, an amusingly sophisticated American living in Paris.
The audience has seen less of Schroeder, but he is wearing a yarmulke. All three are Jewish.
Indeed, it would be hard to imagine any three individuals on the planet who less resemble the Inherit the Wind stereotype that Darwinists have been scaring soccer moms with for the last half century.
Expelled opens nationwide on April 18 th. The neo-Darwinists and their allies in the major media will do their best to kill it.
Co-producer Mark Mathis tells me that two network news producers have already chosen not to cover the film because it was “biased,” unlike, say, the much-covered Fahrenheit 911.
The producers have contracted with the same firm that marketed Mel Gibson’s The Passion to get the word out. They will use much the same strategy.
Central to this strategy is the creation of a powerful buzz and a strong enough opening weekend to catch Hollywood’s attention and hold it.
Put April 18 on your calendars. Bring the kids. You won’t be disappointed.

[CopyCat]

Click on Professor Dawkins to watch trailer !!!

lmao !!! To think that people believe in creationism in this day and time are funny... And why does it seem that the term is used exclusively by the ignorant people who do not understand science ??? Pretty amusing, and yet pathetic at the same time... And I'm not at all shocked that Professor Dawkins would entertain the idea of life being designed by highly evolved aliens from another planet... I think we ourselves could start life on another planet to use it for terra forming purposes during future space colonization... But that wouldn't make us Gods... I may watch this movie on DVD when it comes out for entertainment,
but its not going to be on my must see list...

[With Alacrity]

Great CopyCat, I hope you do see it on DVD but your statement "I'm not shocked that Professor Dawkins would entertain the idea of life being "designed" by highly evolved aliens from another planet... I think we ourselves could start life on another planet to use it for terra forming purposes during future space colonization... But that don't make us a GOD." Uh, C-Cat ol' buddy, It's a far cry from colonizing another planet to being "DESIGNED BY" more highly evolved beings. His designed by means: CREATED. He can swallow some alien creature creating us as long as it isn' t God-LOL! From another venue you remarked that you never heard of Christian persecution in this country. Well, this film should be an awakening for those not aware of it EVEN IF you are in the cheering section for it. Just for the fun of it lets review the "scientific" theory of evolution. A couple of months back I wrote a tongue in cheek review of "scientific" evolution entitled "The Wrong Fairy Tale" which seemed to irritate 'dead' in the wool Darwinists sic..

"The Wrong Fairy Tale?"

I've heard people refer to the Christian Bible as a fairy tale. While I don't believe that, in the short space I have, I would like to point out that the evolution we are being taught IN PLACE of the Bible certainly IS. Lets take a moment to look at naked evolution, eyes open, blinders off.

Beginning with 'Cosmic' evolution: the origin of time, space, matter and: 'Stellar and Planetary' evolution.

In the beginning was nothing. Then nothing got together and caused nothing to explode in a big bang that formed trillions of stars and uber trillions of planets and various satellites called moons. Some spinning cw and others spinning ccw in violation of the scientific law concerning the conservation of angular momentum. The "Big Bang" produced hydrogen and some helium, but nobody knows where the 105 other elements came from, but that is a problem for 'Chemical' and 'Mineral' evolution, so we won't worry about that.

Organic' evolution: The origin of life.
Then in violation of the scientifically proven 1st law of thermodynamics, the 2nd law of thermodynamics, the law of cause and effect, and the law of biogenesis, all the elements and gasses were formed into a poisonous primordial soup through which lightening passed, and [under controlled conditions never found in nature] created two amino acids that won't support life and created other poisonous tars that assured that fact. This requires the evolutionary THEORY of 'abiogenesis' the Spontaneous generation of life from nonliving matter that has never been observed. All observations have shown that life comes only from life (the scientifically proven law of biogenesis.) Obviously the theory of evolution conflicts with this law when claiming that life came from nonliving matter through natural processes, so- we won't worry about that.

Miraculously, from this, a 'simple' single celled creature was formed, (Electron microscopes have shown that a simple cell is actually more complex than the space shuttle) and over MILLIONS of years evolved by natural selection into a blue whale and many millions of other unrelated creatures which are unable to crossbreed with others that are NOT OF THEIR KIND. Then more than 10 TRILLION cells evolved to create the average human body in PERFECT SEQUENCE, of which if the tiniest portion of a percentile of these trillions of PERFECT SEQUENCES are out of order, instead of a human body, you would have nothing more than a lifeless blob of slime. This occurs quite accidentally throughout trillions and trillions of NEW LIFE FORMS DAILY; without GOD. However, as God is not an acceptable answer, we won't worry about that.

Are you following me so far? This is for very deep thinkers.

NOTE on 'Micro' evolution: 'Natural Selection' is 'Micro' evolution: VARIATIONS WITHIN KINDS. This is the only evolution that has been observed. The survival of the fittest etc.
THIS IS SCIENCE AND PROVABLE. All other definitions of evolution are strictly blind religion, and are not provable or testable science.

HOWEVER, THE >ONLY EVIDENCES< OF EVOLUTION GIVEN ARE ALWAYS >MICRO< EVOLUTION.

Somehow evolutionists imply that this is evidence for the other five.

Finally there is 'Macro' evolution: The evolution of one KIND into another. The dog the wolf and the coyote probably had a common ancestor.
However, nobody has ever seen a dog produce very many cows, catfish, or blue whales, so we won't worry about that. After all, that takes MILLLLLLLLLIONS of years.

Once upon a time a princess kissed a frog and it turned into a prince- OOPS! Wrong fairy tale- OR IS IT? Lets not worry about that.


According to Science Journal, man shares a common ancestor with the earthworm. Is your great, great, great, great, great, grandaddy an earthworm? The thought of crossbreeding worms and men boggles the mind.... OH WAIT, IS THAT WORM PREGNANT?
Lets not worry about that. lol!

~~~ 73 & God Bless ~ In Christ~ >",)Bob>< ~~ With Alacrity

[CopyCat]

Originally Posted by With Alacrity

Great CopyCat,
Are you following me so far? This is for very deep thinkers.
~~~ 73 & God Bless ~ In Christ~ >",)Bob>< ~~ With Alacrity

Alacrity you lost me shortly after that Great CopyCat part... Why do you have to be so long winded ??? I just don't have the time to read and answer all of that... I'll try and pick threw some of it... Lets start at the top , the colonizing, creating thing... I said we could start life on another planet to use it for terra forming purposes during future space colonization... I'm saying that all is needed to start things in motion, is simple life forms... Then evolution will take over, higher life forms will evolve over time... And from what I'm reading up there, you seem to think that our evolution theory is suppose to have all the anwsers like the Bible... [or as I like to call it, The talking snake and unicorns theory] Like where did the big bang come from, well we don't know and we are fine with that... We don't need to make up a super magical being to explain these things, we just don't know yet... And I'm sure you can find many mistakes in our evolution theory, we are merely guessing at this point... Remember we don't have a super magical guy to explain stuff with miracles... But our guesses are based on facts and science, not magic... We do have things like carbon dating and fossils to back us up... All of our museums are slap full of dinosaur bones, but I've yet to see any bones from unicorns, giants, angels, or dragons... I guess what I'm saying is that the evolution theory is not the easy path, we have much to learn but it beats that talking snake and unicorn theory all to pieces...

[moo6]

I might have to keep an eye out for this one as well. Looks interesting maybe not to buy or anything but it might be out for a cheap rental.

[With Alacrity]

C' Cat I'm really sorry that you didn't take the time to read my short and (I thought) amusing thesis clarifying what you are choosing to believe in blindfolded. It's really not that long and it might give you a laugh-or a thought.

For the sake of brevity I won't go beyond the scope of your comments except to quote Professor Dawkins. Dawkins concedes that life might indeed have a designer but that DESIGNER almost assuredly was a more highly evolved being from another planet, not “God.”

Conversely You said: "I said we could start life on another planet to use it for terra forming purposes during future SPACE COLONIZATION." Don't you see the difference? You are talking COLONIZATION, he is talking CREATING.

Re: COLONIZATION:
An interesting hypothesis, sounds good on the surface, impossible to do. To bring you into the ball park; light moves at a velocity of about 300,000 kilometers (km) each second. So in one year, it can travel about 10 trillion km. More precisely, ONE LIGHT YEAR is equal to 9,500,000,000,000 kilometers, or 5,903,026,321 Miles.

The NEAREST solar system that is similar to ours and MIGHT have a slim possibility of finding an inhabitable planet is 5,000 light years away or more earthy figures 2,951,531,605,000 miles. Yep, that's over two point nine five TRILLION MILES AWAY. Care to rethink this hypothesis?

UNICORNS:
Deuteronomy 33:17 in part
His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horn[S] are like the horn[s] of unicorns-
If one goes thru the various descriptions of unicorns in the old testament there are several references to the horn[S] being plural. It also comes to mind that mythical beasts may be being described, or possibly even what we call dinosaurs today. As to dragons, you may comfortably use dinosaurs or dragons interchangeably to describe them as the WORD DINOSAUR was not invented until the 1840s.
TALKING SNAKE:
As to your talking snake, the word snake does not appear in the KJV Bible. What you are talking about could be a dragon/dinosaur or other snakelike reptile. Or, more likely it could be a sly or treacherous person, esp. one who exploits a position of trust in order to betray it. I tend to believe the latter might be a more apt description as; Lucifer is described thus:
Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the North:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the >MAN< that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

Note: Lucifer is reduced to the status of a man. Nowhere within the KJV Bible is he called a snake, talking or otherwise.

Re: EVOLUTION THEORY:
You said: "I'm sure you can find many mistakes in our evolution theory, we are merely guessing at this point."

You use the phrase: "our evolution theory." The word "our" indicating possession.
AS TO: "I'm sure you can find many mistakes in our evolution theory" is exactly the point of the film. There is NO DISCUSSION ALLOWED-PERIOD! It must be accepted as fact despite the fact that even Darwin had his doubts. Have you not been reading that school boards and judges are requiring Evolution be taught as fact and will not allow it being referenced to as a theory? Haven't newspapers arrived in South Carolina yet? LOL
~~~ 73 & God Bless ~ In Christ~ >",)Bob>< ~~ With Alacrity

[CopyCat]

Oh crap your back again and as long winded as ever I see... Well lets see, I don't live in South Carolina any more... I'm in Yadkin Valley, NC now... Wine county, there are grapes all over the place around here... They squish under my feet everywhere I go... And I agree that evolution shouldn't be taught as fact... But I'm just so glad that they have taken that fairytail Bible out of our schools that I'm not going to complain... I see up there that your trying very hard to make some sense out of that old Bible book... Unicorns with two or more horns and turning dragons into dinosaurs... lmao !!! Well I've never heard of any fire breathing dinosaurs and I don't think they have ever found any horse bones with 1, 2, or 3 or more horns... And what are you trying to turn that talking snake [or serpent as your KJV Bible calls it] into ??? A dinosaur or other snakelike reptile... lol !!! Keep trying Bob, you'll make it all fit... Do you also have an answer for God telling us that we should kill gay people and people that we see working on Sunday ??? Oh yeah, and kids that back talk there parents, I think he said to kill them too... I sure do wish you could convince me there was a God, because I would love to have that afterlife thing too... But to my way of thinking, the conscious, aware "Self" is established by the structures and processes of the nervous system... If those structures become destroyed and those processes cease, there is nothing left to establish the conscious, aware "Self," and we become once more like we were before we were born -- non-existent... Now we can examine the sources of reports of the afterlife... The Bible, the Koran, and all the other books which tell us of an afterlife also tell us of other things on Earth... When we compare the Bible's reports of things that we can go check out, we find that it makes many, many errors and cannot be trusted... If it makes mistakes that we can verify, why should we trust its reports regarding things that we cannot test ??? So what if I believe that a hospital should be built instead of a church... Or if I believe that something should be done instead of a prayer said... You know there is a very good reason that "Creation Science" is not part of the curriculum in schools today... A reason so simple and so basic that we often forget to mention it: its because it is false... Now don't feel obligated to reply to this post Bob... In fact if I were you I'd just go out and take that
fluffy white barking cat for a walk...
lol !!!

[With Alacrity]

Darn pesky cat! How the heck do you expect me to leave when you ask me silly questions?

CCat sez: "And what are you trying to turn that talking snake [or serpent as your KJV Bible calls it] into ??? A dinosaur or other snakelike reptile... lol !!!"

Ans: Actually no, you apparently misread my statement. I said: "MORE LIKELY it 'COULD' be a sly or treacherous person, esp. one who exploits a position of trust in order to betray it."

I deliberately used the terms "MORE LIKELY 'COULD' as my guess is only slightly better than yours. You are the only one insisting on a snake, not me OR the KJV Bible. If I call someone a serpent [esp. using old english] would you automatically think I'm saying they ARE a >LITERAL< snake or dinosaur?

CCat sez: "I don't think they have ever found any horse bones with 1, 2, or 3 or more horns"

Ans: Uh', Hi Ho Silver- AWAAAAYYY. Who said ANYTHING about bringing horses in here. This isn't a stable.

CCat Sez: "I've never heard of any fire breathing dinosaurs."

Ans: They have found dinosaurs with unexplained chambers in their head that make no sense.

There are more than 500 different non interbreeding bombardier beetles which by storing two separate chemicals (hydroquinone and hydrogen peroxide) do pretty much that. When they are threatened, the two chemicals are squirted through two tubes, where they are mixed along with small amounts of catalytic enzymes and undergo a violent "exothermic" chemical reaction. The BOILING, foul-smelling liquid partially becomes a gas and is expelled with a loud popping sound.

If over 500 non interbreading beetles do it, don't you think some species of extinct dinosaur could have done the same thing?

CCat sez: When we compare the Bible's reports of things that we can go check out, we find that it makes many, many errors and cannot be trusted.

Ans: Who fed you that propaganda?
I've read various attacks on the bible and even much of the pitiable "1001 errors in the KJ Bible." (What a very sad author.)
If you have any ACTUAL questions (not just attacks) regarding the KJV Bible; quote chapter and verse & I will get you an answer. When you make some general statement without references you might as well be quoting from the dictionary.

Please don't make the common mistake of using old testament edicts or commands to the Jewish people in order to make a point. The old testament was under the law, and the law was given to show them how impossible it is for people to live Godly lives without a savior.

CCat sez: Why should we trust its reports regarding things that we cannot test ???

Ans: Approximately 2500 prophecies appear in the pages of the Bible, about 2000 of which already have been fulfilled to the letter—no errors.
The Old Testament, was written over a 1,000 year period, by many different authors without contradictions, contains over 300 references to the coming Messiah. Many of them were beyond human control yet all of these were fulfilled in Jesus Christ.
By using the modern science of probability in reference to just EIGHT of these prophecies; the chance that any man might have lived to fulfill all eight prophecies is one in one hundred trillion!
If you take 100 trillion silver dollars and lay them on the face of Texas, they would be two feet deep. Now, mix well and have somebody randomly pick out a single marked coin on the first try. It's almost as astronomically impossible as evolution. That's just for EIGHT accurately fulfilled prophesies. To fulfill 2000 of them boggles the mind.
Is that reason enough to trust its reports regarding things that we cannot test.

CCat sez: "barking cat"

WOW! I must have really hit a nerve to get you mad enough to attack my innocent little dog.
May the fleas of a dozen Pit Bulls infest your armpits.

(Just kidding) ~~~ 73 & God Bless ~ >",)Bob>< ~~~

[CopyCat]

Its not just your innocent little dog... I not very fond of any small dogs...
And it cracks me up because most of you theist start that, well lets not
talk about the old Testament... Well I'm posting one of five videos this
guy has put out on Bible contradictions... He was a student at a Bible
college until he studied and realize that it was just a bunch of old fairy
tails... There are many more such videos there for you debunk, have fun...

YouTube - An Atheist Discusses Biblical Inerrancy...

[With Alacrity]

Mitch old man I do not have time to field an entire tirade by some glib tongued egoist that doesn't realize how lost he really is. I have a test report to finish on a new photo editing system that is giving me nightmares to the extent that I have to start it all over and throw out most of the first six to ten pages. Hours of video editing to do. A yard that needs heavy work, a garage with workshop that is such a mess that I can't get my car into it, and a barn that needs to be straightened out sufficiently in order to get my boat out of it so I can work on that. Oh yes, and a shed that need fixing. I do this while fighting a fatal lung disease that leaves me coughing dizzy. NONETHELESS, Lord willing, as Arnie said: "I WILL BE BACK" with your answer as soon as possible.

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In the meantime I will ask only ONE QUESTION at a time rather than bury you with rhetoric. You concede that evolution has 'some' problems. So my question starts with a statement of accepted fact by both sides:

"'Natural Selection' is 'Micro' evolution: VARIATIONS WITHIN KINDS. The survival of the fittest as Darwin described it etc."

This is the only evolution that has been observed.

THIS IS SCIENCE AND PROVABLE.

HOWEVER, THE >ONLY EVIDENCES< OF EVOLUTION GIVEN ARE ALWAYS THIS >MICRO< EVOLUTION; variations within kinds. Canines= more canines, felines= more felines, cats do not produce catfish and can NOT interbreed.

Now the question is: Somehow, you evolutionists imply that this micro evolution is evidence for the other five types of evolution. If the hypothesis has any validity at all why, or at least how is that possible that you cannot show a SINGLE instance of the other types?