Heavens not so great

[CopyCat]

The original-language word translated “circle” at Isaiah 40:22 also is rendered “sphere.” Certain Bible translations read, “the globe of the earth” (Douay Version) and “the round earth.”
lmao !!! Well yeah I guess they would translate it to read globe now that they know the earth is round... Do you know just how funny that sounds ??? lol !!! I bet if you could ask the guy that wrote those words if he thought circle meant globe, he would look at you like you were a fool and then tell you no... And why ? because he made up those words, not God... And he thought the earth was flat, simple as that... Ooow, that rhymed, lol...
I am willing to venture a guess that we could trade shots back and forth on every point possible, both convinced we have the real truth. Well - me accurately convinced and you convincing yourself you're convinced
(had to say that, you know).
Sure I have no problem with the convincing myself that I'm right thing... That is one of reasons I like to talk about religion, to reassure myself that I'm right... Becoming an atheist is not something that I took lightly... It took me many many hours of study and research to come to the decision that I was an atheist... Its pretty hard to reject something that everyone around you believes... Especially when it is something that you would love to believe yourself... But the facts tell the story, science is where it at... I just can't believe in the fairy tails anymore...
p.s. When you're ready to admit defeat and go to mass, I'll fly up and join you.
I'm sorry girl, but its you guys that must admit defeat... They don't even teach religion in the schools anymore... God is now like the fading smile of the Cheshire Cat... I've heard it said that the scientific community is bias against religion... That is not true there are just far fewer scientific papers publish about religion than evolution... And evolution has only been around for a little over a hundred years... But evolution is well supported by new research, evidence for evolution comes from fossils, from genetics, from the development of organisms and many other things unimaginable even at the turn of this century... Where as religion is scientifically unproductive, how do you find evidence of a fairy tail ??? Religion has an uphill struggle to demonstrate that it is, indeed, science at all... Untestable claims are not scientific claims regardless of how much we would like them to be true... Religion can't be accepted as a valid scientific alternative to evolution... Ideas are not just automatically installed in universities and classrooms, they must earn their place threw scientific study and results... Religion fails to make a convincing case for itself... Yes I think children will look in there history books in another hundred years... They will hear about religion for the very first time when they read about the holy wars and about the burning of witches and think we were a very barbaric people...

[aperio]

Wow, I see you're getting an earful on the same subject line over here http://flixray.com/forums/movies-pro...ding/63340.htm by someone far more well educated on the subject than myself.

CC my dear friend, I fear you will have much to answer for at some point with all these people begging you to realize you are heading down a wrong path. Come on now, let's just meet up some Sunday, we'll go to church, go out for breakfast (my treat) and hang out.

[CopyCat]

Oh "With Alacrity" is not a problem, he is just another sheep that has lost his way... I have been having to deal with him longer than I've known you... Now on the subject of your "you’re heading down a wrong path" comment... Yes by your Gods law I will suffer for eternity in a unimaginable, incomprehensible hell of pain and torment... Notice my lack of concern and cool and calm composure... Now tell me please just why would your loving, peaceful and fair God subject me to this abomination for not believing in him, when everything that I see points to him as being a fairy tail ??? Its like oops, I was wrong so I burn in hell for eternity... lol !!! And just why does your God demaned you worship him ??? Does he have a inferiority complex or something to need peeps to call him there master ??? And why does this God need 10% of your money ??? Seems like he could magically say poof and make all the money he needs...
These are but a few things for you to ponder over...

[aperio]

Technically speaking, He's not forcing you to do anything... If He did, then you'd be whining about being brainwashed.

Why shouldn't any parent want their children to love them? I'm pretty sure He's entitled to ask for that much since He is God afterall, and He did create us. I would also certainly hope any parent would set boundaries and set expectations for their children... Otherwise you'd have some real little Tasmanian Devils running around the house (pun semi intended).

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So you've been asking all the questions about what I believe.... I think it's my turn now...

So if you don't believe in Heaven or God... (These are real questions, btw I seriously don't know exactly what it is you believe - only what you state you don't believe)... am I correct to assume you don't believe in Hell or Satan... and if that's the case, does that mean you don't believe there is such a thing as sin? What happens to evil-doers such as serial killers / mass murderers and the like.. they just do their thing then it's over without consequence?

[CopyCat]

I think love and worship are two different things... And I certainly don't want my childred to think of me as there master... And no I'm afraid I don't believe in Hell or Satan... For that matter I also don't believe in behemoth or leviathan, griffins, dragons, mermaids, trolls, angels, Sea Serpents, big foot, space aliens, locknest monster, leprechauns, black magic, horoscope, abominable snowman, ghost, fairies, witches, warlocks, or any of those other mythical things or places that there is no proof of, physical evidence, or scientific data to back it up... The reason all those things have no proof of, physical evidence, or scientific data to back them up is because they are not real... And as for your evil-doers they are just like anyone else when they die... To my way of thinking, the conscious, aware "Self" is established by the structures and processes of the nervous system... If those structures become destroyed and those processes cease, there is nothing left to establish the conscious, aware "Self," and we become once more like we were before we were born, non existent... Do you remember what it was like before you were born ???
Its going to be just exactly like that when you die...

[aperio]

I swear to you I don't mean for this to come across sounding sarcastic, but it must really suck to live a life where you have have seemingly convinced yourself that this is all there is and when you die, it's lights out, nothing more. Seems rather pointless really.

[CopyCat]

Well sure, I would love to have that fairy tail afterlife...
But I see things for what they are and I live a happy life and I'm very
thankful for that... And yes I guess if I could push a button and become a
theist again I would, but it just don't work that way...

[With Alacrity]

Well CrankyCat, I think you know me well enough that I love to throw the words of Atheists into their faces as I've found that people who are confident in their ideas are not afraid of criticism. This tells me that Darwinists are afraid, as evolution's apologists have switched from defending Darwinist hard-line to attacking religion.

Hence here you've got me out here not ATTACKING Darwinism but rather attempting to point out how fallacious and outdated an argument Darwinism is and at times, how messed up your understanding of the Bible is.

From another mutual venue (YDM) an unnamed person stated that Darwinism was not against the first law of thermodynamics. I didn't respond to him/it, as I was certain it would have been over his head.

However I'm confident you will give it consideration once I've explained from my mechanical engineering background (no degree) and how Darwinism violates the first law of thermodynamics. Please keep in mind that everything I write is from a standpoint of mechanics. The job (I loved) for many years was troubleshooting machines that were not operable or increasing the efficiency of ones that were.

The first law of thermodynamics:
Nothing can only create nothing. Before the universe existed something must have always existed. It's energy. Energy is eternal. The first law of dynamics confirms that.
The law states: "energy cannot be created or destroyed" No beginning and no end. (That's the definition of "ETERNAL.")

Darwinists cannot claim that this energy always existed in the known universe because science has proven that the universe didn't always exist.(1)

The energy source that was present BEFORE the universe began had to have power beyond anything we can begin to imagine, considering it had to transfer it's energy unto the TRILLIONS of stars and BILLIONS of galaxies.

A separate ETERNAL energy source that exists outside of the universe had to have supplied or transferred IT'S energy onto the universe (because we know that the universe didn't always exist.)

It's not unreasonable to assume that this ENORMOUS energy was the creator God as we have two options to determine what WAS this powerful always existing energy. It could be a dumb, unconscious, and vague energy source. (However this is extremely illogical considering that we can observe incredible complexity, order, and design throughout the universe.) The most logical answer would be that an intelligent mind constructed the universe, or a God. It's as simple as that.
If you can't agree with this logic then you're being stubborn, unreasonable, and just don't WANT to believe in the existence of God.
(1) Reference: "The universe and time didn't always exist" by Stephen Hawking: Professor Stephen Hawking

I pray this bit of enlightenment give you serious pause for thought. Mitch, you have my eMail address, please feel free to respond through that or private message or here, whatever is convenient. Kindly remember, I'm no preacher I'm just a big dummy that is saved by the Grace of Jesus, and hopes that someday you will be to.
~~~ 73 & God Bless ~ >",)Bob>< ~~~ With Alacrity

[CopyCat]

I'm sorry Bob but your really wasting your time if you think there might be some chance of converting me back to theism... It would be the equivalent of me asking you to believe in Santa Claus again... I mean, sure you would like too, it would be nice, but you know better... And I don't know why you would quote Stephen Hawking... To me he is just a confused little man in a wheel chair... I know that he is an agnostic that has said just as much in favor of atheism as he has Christianity... I think he gets a lot of press because he is a smart guy with a debilitating disease and a strange appearance... I certainly don't think he has all the answers, no one does... I think that much of what we take to be right now will one day be proven wrong... You see your creation theory gives you all the answers and it gives you that sweet after life thing... That gives you that warm fuzzy feeling... Were as I don't get any of that, but I'm fine with not knowing it all... So I don't know what was here before the big bang, no big deal... I'm sure we'll figure it out one day... And I can rest in the assurance that I don't believe in fairy tails... My beliefs are based on scientific facts and data, not untestable myths... And by the way Bob, I was really looking forward to your response to my last post on the "Expelled" thread... In particular, your thoughts on the "Proving that the Bible is repulsive" video... Here is a linky should you need it...

[With Alacrity]

CC sez:

My beliefs are based on scientific facts and data, not untestable myths...

I apologize. I was under the impression that you were a member of the first church of the Darwinist.

I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist.

Imprisoned in every evolutionist is a sane Christian wildly signaling to be let out.

“Wee sleket cowerin’ timrous beastie/O, what a panic is in thy breastie.”

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